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(EDIT 3) And apparently the video I linked to there has been set to private, making it all a moot point. My only guess is that it got such a bad reaction that they just gave up. Or so I hope. Doesn't matter to me in any case, though, as I've still dropped them completely and washed my hands of it all, like a hot turd. (/EDIT 3)
"Axanar creator Alec Peters and Crypto investor/consultant (and Axanar co-director & editor) Mark Edward Lewis introduce you to the world of NFTs, Cryptocurrency and Metaverses! The 3rd iteration of the Internet is here and it can be confusing. Come learn all about it as Alec and Mark make it simple to understand, point you to resources to help you learn, and tell you about how Axanar is adopting NFT's as a tool this year!"
No, I will not be watching this worse-than-useless bullshit.
So, basically, Axanar has just given me yet another reason to wish that I'd never backed it on Kickstarter all those years ago. *weary sigh*
(EDIT)
*looks at the chat window next to the still-waiting-to-go-live Youtube shit*
It looks like they've deleted almost all of the negative comments from earlier today (including mine, where I posted the link to that "Line Goes Up" video).
Gonna copy/paste their spewings (edited to bold and italicize the comments from the Axanar account) from the chat log here (and what's there is apparently all that's there now):
Dan Hallock Calling cryptocurrency a scam is not knee-jerk at this point. It’s had a long time to prove it has worth. It has not. It is bad at every use case except already-rich people playing with their money.
Dan Hallock Plus Axanar was a Star Trek spinoff. I’m here for the space communist utopia where we moved past money, not the hyper-capitalist dystopia where everything is money.
Dan Hallock Like, read the room.
Axanar If you think Crypto has not proven its worth, I guess you disagree with EVERY MAJOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTION in the world. But yeah Dan, you know better.
Axanar As far as reading the room, I see a lot of ignorant people who don't know anything about Crypto calling it a scam. Facts are facts. Crypto is a $2 trillion industry.
Dan Hallock Oil is a $2.1 trillion industry too, and I think they’re pretty terrible as well; and I would find it pretty gross for you to pivot from Star Trek fan production to oil industry shill. Cash ≠ good.
Axanar We arent shilling anything. Did you see us say anything about selling anything? Seriously, why not just watch our video. You will learn something.
Sean S "Come learn all about it as Alec and Mark tell you about how Axanar is adopting NFT's as a tool this year"
Sean S So you're "adopting" NFTs "as a tool" , but not planning on selling them?
Axanar We plan on giving them away to donors. Yeah, that., Maybe try and watch the video before jumping to conclusions.
Dan Hallock “Axanar is entering the universe of Web 3 and the Block Chain.” Selling, promoting, shilling for. But what do I know, I’m “ignorant” and “clueless”.
Axanar Tell you what Dan, just leave then if you don't want to learn anything. You clearly know everything.
Sean S Well, considering the video isn't live for 6 hours, it's difficult to watch it right now.
Steve Tweed[message deleted]
Axanar Uh yeah, try coming back when we are live.
Sean S People want to express their displeasure that a project about Star Trek, a post-scarcity utopia, is promoting artificial digital scarcity. Nothing in the content of the video can change that.
Sean S Dan hit the nail on the head there. Perhaps consider listening to your donors that care enough to show up and tell you this early, rather than just unsubscribing and walking away.
Axanar You know, all I have seen is ignorance and a jump to conclusions. We are all Star Trek fans. And Crypto currency is here to stay. You don't say that fiat currency is evil, so why would cryptocurren
Axanar cy be evil by definition?
Axanar Putting your head in the sand and claiming "SCAM!" doesn't change anything. Nor does claiming we shouldnt be talking about crypto because no money exists in Star Trek (Which is false anyway).
Axanar And I am personally a progressive capitalist. I believe we need to do things to drive down income inequality, and crypto is showing us ways to do just that.
Axanar Plus, Metaversus are a huge part of our future. You don't want to talk about that?
Axanar Go check out Star Atlas and tell me that is a scam. Check out Axi-infinity which has given THOUSANDS of people the chance to make a living in the digital economy.
Axanar Are you against Metaversus because they don't exist in Star Trek? Oh yeah, they do.
Sean S You should realize that "Metaverse" is a marketing term co-opted by Facebook in their ploy to control the VR space, and pretty much everyone in the community hates calling it that.
Axanar Well, 1) Everyone hates Facebook2) The companies in the Metaverse call them Metaversus so you are wrong.
Axanar Yes Facebook has tried to co-opt the name.
Dan Hallock Star Atlas is a series of trailers and they’ll take your money but has no playable game, correct? Unless you think trading tokens itself is a fun game, which I realize a lot of crypto bros do.
Axanar It is called being in development.
Dan Hallock Axie Infinity: taking the Pokémon concept and making it incredibly more expensive sounds like… oh I dunno… a grift. You could say a scam.
Axanar You expect a game instantly?
Sean S That's the third time you've justified your position by using appeal to authority of what companies say. That's more Ferengi then Federation. (and companies might, but most actual VR creators don't)
Dan Hallock I think if your best example of non-scam is a promise of something that doesn’t exist yet, it’s not a good example.
Axanar Metaversus just started for the most part. Very few are actually fully functioning
Axanar Dan I mentioned Axi-Infinityu too. Did you check that out or are you just trying to be dishionest?
Axanar Look guys, you can either tune in tonight or not. Trying to argue that Web3 is a scam makes you look worse than a luddite.
Dan Hallock And even what it promises is dystopian: a playground for the rich to mix speculative trading into their space game.
Sean S I'm a software developer. Web3 IS a scam, there's no way it can deliver on its promises, blockchains don't have that bandwidth
Sean S And VR has had fully functioning "metaverses" for years now, it's just that a major corp isn't marketing them as another way for them to expand their rules of acquisition.
Axanar WOW. Ok. I guess the rest of the world is wrong.
Dan Hallock The rest of the world, huh. Funny how you’ve had plenty of comments to delete from all us “ignorant” and “clueless” folks; but have not had excited people here looking forward to your announcement.
Axanar Yeah, I am sure we won't have anyone show up.
Axanar Ok, well, I have 7 puppies we are fostering that I need to drive to the rescue to get their shots. You guys have fun and maybe come by tonight and see what we have to say.
(EDIT 2)
Someone grabbed a screenshot of the initial chat messages that used to be there but which were then deleted by the Axanar assholes due to butthurt. It's crazy because the one I left was literally right below the "Ravyn Yarmuth" one.
(EDIT 5) Link to image for when Google Photos inevitably shits the bed (again).
Man, fuck Google Photos. (/EDIT 5)
(/EDIT 2)
So, anyway, I just unsubscribed from all their email lists (the ones I hadn't already unsubscribed from), and if I had been subscribed to their Youtube channel or following them on Twitter, which I wasn't, I'd be dumping that, too.
Yeah, I'm fucking done with Axanar altogether. As of now, I don't even want to see whatever bullshit movie/show/whatever final product they make, assuming they ever actually make anything at all, even if I did give them $25 eight years ago specifically for that purpose. Axanar and Alec Peters and Mark Edward Lewis and whoever else involved with the whole fiasco can eat shit and die at this point, as far as I'm concerned.
(/EDIT)
(EDIT 4)
That is how much antipathy I feel toward Axanar now.
(/EDIT 4)
"Axanar creator Alec Peters and Crypto investor/consultant (and Axanar co-director & editor) Mark Edward Lewis introduce you to the world of NFTs, Cryptocurrency and Metaverses! The 3rd iteration of the Internet is here and it can be confusing. Come learn all about it as Alec and Mark make it simple to understand, point you to resources to help you learn, and tell you about how Axanar is adopting NFT's as a tool this year!"
No, I will not be watching this worse-than-useless bullshit.
So, basically, Axanar has just given me yet another reason to wish that I'd never backed it on Kickstarter all those years ago. *weary sigh*
(EDIT)
*looks at the chat window next to the still-waiting-to-go-live Youtube shit*
It looks like they've deleted almost all of the negative comments from earlier today (including mine, where I posted the link to that "Line Goes Up" video).
Gonna copy/paste their spewings (edited to bold and italicize the comments from the Axanar account) from the chat log here (and what's there is apparently all that's there now):
Dan Hallock Calling cryptocurrency a scam is not knee-jerk at this point. It’s had a long time to prove it has worth. It has not. It is bad at every use case except already-rich people playing with their money.
Dan Hallock Plus Axanar was a Star Trek spinoff. I’m here for the space communist utopia where we moved past money, not the hyper-capitalist dystopia where everything is money.
Dan Hallock Like, read the room.
Axanar If you think Crypto has not proven its worth, I guess you disagree with EVERY MAJOR FINANCIAL INSTITUTION in the world. But yeah Dan, you know better.
Axanar As far as reading the room, I see a lot of ignorant people who don't know anything about Crypto calling it a scam. Facts are facts. Crypto is a $2 trillion industry.
Dan Hallock Oil is a $2.1 trillion industry too, and I think they’re pretty terrible as well; and I would find it pretty gross for you to pivot from Star Trek fan production to oil industry shill. Cash ≠ good.
Axanar We arent shilling anything. Did you see us say anything about selling anything? Seriously, why not just watch our video. You will learn something.
Sean S "Come learn all about it as Alec and Mark tell you about how Axanar is adopting NFT's as a tool this year"
Sean S So you're "adopting" NFTs "as a tool" , but not planning on selling them?
Axanar We plan on giving them away to donors. Yeah, that., Maybe try and watch the video before jumping to conclusions.
Dan Hallock “Axanar is entering the universe of Web 3 and the Block Chain.” Selling, promoting, shilling for. But what do I know, I’m “ignorant” and “clueless”.
Axanar Tell you what Dan, just leave then if you don't want to learn anything. You clearly know everything.
Sean S Well, considering the video isn't live for 6 hours, it's difficult to watch it right now.
Steve Tweed[message deleted]
Axanar Uh yeah, try coming back when we are live.
Sean S People want to express their displeasure that a project about Star Trek, a post-scarcity utopia, is promoting artificial digital scarcity. Nothing in the content of the video can change that.
Sean S Dan hit the nail on the head there. Perhaps consider listening to your donors that care enough to show up and tell you this early, rather than just unsubscribing and walking away.
Axanar You know, all I have seen is ignorance and a jump to conclusions. We are all Star Trek fans. And Crypto currency is here to stay. You don't say that fiat currency is evil, so why would cryptocurren
Axanar cy be evil by definition?
Axanar Putting your head in the sand and claiming "SCAM!" doesn't change anything. Nor does claiming we shouldnt be talking about crypto because no money exists in Star Trek (Which is false anyway).
Axanar And I am personally a progressive capitalist. I believe we need to do things to drive down income inequality, and crypto is showing us ways to do just that.
Axanar Plus, Metaversus are a huge part of our future. You don't want to talk about that?
Axanar Go check out Star Atlas and tell me that is a scam. Check out Axi-infinity which has given THOUSANDS of people the chance to make a living in the digital economy.
Axanar Are you against Metaversus because they don't exist in Star Trek? Oh yeah, they do.
Sean S You should realize that "Metaverse" is a marketing term co-opted by Facebook in their ploy to control the VR space, and pretty much everyone in the community hates calling it that.
Axanar Well, 1) Everyone hates Facebook2) The companies in the Metaverse call them Metaversus so you are wrong.
Axanar Yes Facebook has tried to co-opt the name.
Dan Hallock Star Atlas is a series of trailers and they’ll take your money but has no playable game, correct? Unless you think trading tokens itself is a fun game, which I realize a lot of crypto bros do.
Axanar It is called being in development.
Dan Hallock Axie Infinity: taking the Pokémon concept and making it incredibly more expensive sounds like… oh I dunno… a grift. You could say a scam.
Axanar You expect a game instantly?
Sean S That's the third time you've justified your position by using appeal to authority of what companies say. That's more Ferengi then Federation. (and companies might, but most actual VR creators don't)
Dan Hallock I think if your best example of non-scam is a promise of something that doesn’t exist yet, it’s not a good example.
Axanar Metaversus just started for the most part. Very few are actually fully functioning
Axanar Dan I mentioned Axi-Infinityu too. Did you check that out or are you just trying to be dishionest?
Axanar Look guys, you can either tune in tonight or not. Trying to argue that Web3 is a scam makes you look worse than a luddite.
Dan Hallock And even what it promises is dystopian: a playground for the rich to mix speculative trading into their space game.
Sean S I'm a software developer. Web3 IS a scam, there's no way it can deliver on its promises, blockchains don't have that bandwidth
Sean S And VR has had fully functioning "metaverses" for years now, it's just that a major corp isn't marketing them as another way for them to expand their rules of acquisition.
Axanar WOW. Ok. I guess the rest of the world is wrong.
Dan Hallock The rest of the world, huh. Funny how you’ve had plenty of comments to delete from all us “ignorant” and “clueless” folks; but have not had excited people here looking forward to your announcement.
Axanar Yeah, I am sure we won't have anyone show up.
Axanar Ok, well, I have 7 puppies we are fostering that I need to drive to the rescue to get their shots. You guys have fun and maybe come by tonight and see what we have to say.
(EDIT 2)
Someone grabbed a screenshot of the initial chat messages that used to be there but which were then deleted by the Axanar assholes due to butthurt. It's crazy because the one I left was literally right below the "Ravyn Yarmuth" one.
(EDIT 5) Link to image for when Google Photos inevitably shits the bed (again).
Man, fuck Google Photos. (/EDIT 5)
(/EDIT 2)
So, anyway, I just unsubscribed from all their email lists (the ones I hadn't already unsubscribed from), and if I had been subscribed to their Youtube channel or following them on Twitter, which I wasn't, I'd be dumping that, too.
Yeah, I'm fucking done with Axanar altogether. As of now, I don't even want to see whatever bullshit movie/show/whatever final product they make, assuming they ever actually make anything at all, even if I did give them $25 eight years ago specifically for that purpose. Axanar and Alec Peters and Mark Edward Lewis and whoever else involved with the whole fiasco can eat shit and die at this point, as far as I'm concerned.
(/EDIT)
(EDIT 4)
Honestly, at this point, I would probably *cheer* if I ever saw news that @Paramountco or @CBS (or whoever it is that actually owns @StarTrek now) had decided, for whatever reason, to sue/C&D Axanar again. ¬_¬
— Kane Magus (@KaneMagus) March 21, 2022
That is how much antipathy I feel toward Axanar now.
(/EDIT 4)
