Full headline, because Dreamwidth's subject field is inadequate and/or PC Gamer's headlines are excessive: "The 'Stop Killing Games' initiative is close to its final deadline, and after that, its leader is understandably done: 'Either the frog hops out of the pot, or it's dead'"
"'Companies just started taking away your purchases, nobody stopped them, and it slowly got normalised.'"
The full scoop on Stop Killing Games! Covers past, present, and future.
Link to European Citizens' Initiative:
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#...
Link to UK Government Petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petiti...
Link to Video FAQ on the initiative
Giant FAQ on The European Initiative to St...
Disclaimer: I have not yet actually watched the above embedded video myself. I saw it show up in my Feedly feed a day or two ago, and I just sighed wearily and didn't even want to watch it at all, because the very premise of it is depressing. I'm not sure I ever will watch it.
Also, I have never heard of this PirateSoftware/Thor assclown before now (or if I had, I'd since blotted them/him from my memory), and I have little interest in learning more about them/him, based on what very, very little I have seen/heard about them/him up to now (which doesn't include whatever 30 minute justified tirade against them/him that Mr. Scott goes into, because, again, I haven't yet watched that video).
I did have one of their/his games on my Steam Wishlist up until now, though, most likely the result of a kneejerk Wishlist add based on watching one of those Mother Direct videos or whatever. No more. It's been removed and Ignored, now, along with every other game/product of theirs/his.
I don't blame Ross Scott, really. People like me and![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
owsf2000 have been ranting about such "frog in the pot"-like shit that "slowly got normalized" for at least a couple decades now, to no avail, and it fucking sucks. It has simply continued to invariably and incessantly get worse and worse and goddamned worse as time has gone on. If someone with the massive reach (at least relative to us two, anyway) of Accursed Farms can't change hearts and minds, what hope do small fry like us have? I'm just sick and tired of it all, and as I've said many times before, I'm just waiting for the modern video game industry to crash and burn altogether. Or perhaps, rather, I'm waiting for the already in-progress crash to finish, because I think we've been in a slow-burn video game industry (AAA, at least) crash for a few years now at this point. And if so, then good riddance to bad rubbish.
"'Companies just started taking away your purchases, nobody stopped them, and it slowly got normalised.'"
The full scoop on Stop Killing Games! Covers past, present, and future.
Link to European Citizens' Initiative:
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#...
Link to UK Government Petition:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petiti...
Link to Video FAQ on the initiative
Giant FAQ on The European Initiative to St...
Disclaimer: I have not yet actually watched the above embedded video myself. I saw it show up in my Feedly feed a day or two ago, and I just sighed wearily and didn't even want to watch it at all, because the very premise of it is depressing. I'm not sure I ever will watch it.
Also, I have never heard of this PirateSoftware/Thor assclown before now (or if I had, I'd since blotted them/him from my memory), and I have little interest in learning more about them/him, based on what very, very little I have seen/heard about them/him up to now (which doesn't include whatever 30 minute justified tirade against them/him that Mr. Scott goes into, because, again, I haven't yet watched that video).
I did have one of their/his games on my Steam Wishlist up until now, though, most likely the result of a kneejerk Wishlist add based on watching one of those Mother Direct videos or whatever. No more. It's been removed and Ignored, now, along with every other game/product of theirs/his.
I don't blame Ross Scott, really. People like me and
owsf2000 have been ranting about such "frog in the pot"-like shit that "slowly got normalized" for at least a couple decades now, to no avail, and it fucking sucks. It has simply continued to invariably and incessantly get worse and worse and goddamned worse as time has gone on. If someone with the massive reach (at least relative to us two, anyway) of Accursed Farms can't change hearts and minds, what hope do small fry like us have? I'm just sick and tired of it all, and as I've said many times before, I'm just waiting for the modern video game industry to crash and burn altogether. Or perhaps, rather, I'm waiting for the already in-progress crash to finish, because I think we've been in a slow-burn video game industry (AAA, at least) crash for a few years now at this point. And if so, then good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Date: 2025-06-25 02:09 am (UTC)From:I've followed Thor for years, he's a pretty big voice in indie gamedev and often makes a point of breaking down common business practices used by the modern gaming industry. I never saw the video where he tears into SKG; before now I never knew of Ross Scott or the SKG initiative, I mean, I knew about the idea in general but never knew it was actually being spearheaded by a particular guy like this.
One thing I will say about Thor, he has a very critical eye on things like this, he usually knows what he's talking about (although it wouldn't be the first time he was confidently wrong about something), and he's usually worth paying attention to even if not agreeing with. I watched through the 30-minute segment where Ross tears down Thor's arguments tearing down Ross and... honestly, without any other context, I have to side with Thor here. I also watched through Thor's original video calling out SKG (which was a lot shorter, only 15 minutes, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioqSvLqB46Y) just to see how well Ross actually represented and understood Thor's position and, if anything, it just reinforced my opinion that Thor is a highly effective communicator where Ross... isn't. Thor lays out why he disagrees with the initiative fairly clearly and how they're missing the real issue, and it feels like Ross missed the point entirely.
Honestly, Ross just came off as someone who is so ideologically set in his position that it's not even that he won't listen to criticism, but he can't even understand criticism as anything other than an attack on the fundamental rightness of his position. Which isn't to say he's wrong, but so many of his counter-arguments were just as misrepresentative of Thor's position as he claims Thor's arguments were of his own. I do agree with the initiative in principle, I did sign the Canadian petition when it went up (not that it accomplished anything), but for all of that if my first exposure to it had been this guy, I probably would've dismissed it too.